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 Questions Related to the Northwest Saline Wind Farm Proposal

 
What is the energy pay back time for the proposed Northwest Saline Wind Farm?
   
Is there increasing vibration from turbines with wear & tear over time?
   
What is the length and regularity of maintenance periods? Regarding reliability, what percentage of time is taken for breakdowns and unscheduled stoppages of turbines?
   
Would ABO Wind limit the project to 5 turbines with no additional turbines within 2 miles of the site?
   
How was the Northwest Saline site chosen?
   
Dimensions of turbine foundations?
   
Volumes of concrete for turbine foundations?
   
What is the number of lorry loads for construction of the wind farm?
   
Can the electricity connection to Saline be enhanced as part of community benefit?
   
Will the turbines require any lights?
   
What is the turbine tower height and the turbine blade length?
   
Might ABO Wind apply for turbines higher than 120m?
   
Why are the turbines 120m when Fife Planning Guidance is for up to 100m?
   
Will the residents of Saline get cheaper electricity as a result of having a wind farm in their area?
   
How would ABO like to negotiate the community benefit?
   
Would ABO consider Profit sharing with Saline residents?
   
ABO Expects to generate 12.5MW from the site. How much has to be generated to still make a profit with/without the subsidy?
   
Where will power lines to the Fishcross substation be overhead versus underground?
   
Will the output of 5 turbines justify the cost of the grid connection?
  
Who pays for the grid connection?
   
Can you assure us that the bird survey will continue until March?
   
Is it correct that hundreds of lorries with road making stone will come through Saline?
   
How many local people will this scheme employ during construction and post construction?
   
Does ABO need the ROC subsidy to proceed with the wind farm?
   
If the planning application is successful will ABO Wind build the wind farm or sell the site on and if so, will the answers remain the same?
   
Does ABO Wind plan to offer compensation to everyone living within 2km for devaluation and nuisance?
   
When does ABO Wind expect to submit the planning application?
   
Will the Community Council be advised directly in advance?
   
How is the ‘community’ defined for the community benefit? Many of the people most affected are not Saline residents or even in Fife.
   
Can noise disturbance increase over time?
   
How is the land to be restored at the end of the life of the site?
   
What would happen if the anticipated electricity output from the wind farm were not achieved?
   
Might the site be decommissioned early and at what financial and environmental cost?
   
When will the additional photomontages be available?
   
Is ABO Wind considering any other sites in the area?
   
Please provide grid reference locations for the turbines
   
 
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 General Questions

 
What is the methodology for calculating energy pay back time for wind farms?
   
What is the GW installed capacity in the UK?
   
How much CO2 has been saved through wind farms in the UK and Europe?
   
Are ROCS paid when turbines are not producing?
   
Are there examples of wind farm sites on low ground with low wind speeds? Turbines over 120m? Sites with houses within 1,000m of turbines?
   
Other operators will not consider sites within 750m of residential properties why is ABO not adopting this policy?
   
Why is ABO not following planning guidance on the 2km buffer zones to settlements?
   
What noises can be expected at what range from a wind turbine?
   
What non-audible noise can be experienced from a wind farm?
What other type of disturbance can be experienced?
What research exists into how these disturbances such as low frequency noise affect people?
   
Does the height of a turbine or blade length make a difference to the amount of noise?
   
Why is there 35dB of noise in a ‘quiet’ bedroom?
   
 

 

 Questions Related to the Northwest Saline Wind Farm Proposal

 
   
What is the energy pay back time for the proposed Northwest Saline Wind Farm?
 
Answer: The following comes from the British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) website:
http://www.bwea.com/

The comparison of energy used in manufacture with the energy produced by a power station is known as the 'energy balance'.  It can be expressed in terms of energy 'pay back' time, that is, the time needed to generate the equivalent amount of energy used in manufacturing the wind turbine or power station.

The average wind farm in the UK will pay back the energy used in its manufacture within three to eight months of operation, depending on the scale of the wind farm, site topography, infrastructure required and whether turbines are onshore or offshore.  This compares favourably with coal or nuclear power stations.

 
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Is there increasing vibration from turbines with wear & tear over time?
 
Answer: Vibration from wind turbines has been shown to be well below UK criteria for ‘critical working areas’ at 100m from turbines.  That is, no significant vibration goes into the ground from wind turbines.

We have been advised that there would be no additional increase in vibration from wear and tear on turbines over time, due to routine maintenance to the machines and repair to any damages over the life of the turbines.

 
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What is the length and regularity of maintenance periods?  Regarding reliability, what percentage of time is taken for breakdowns and unscheduled stoppages of turbines?
 
Answer: Routine maintenance or servicing of turbines is normally carried out twice a year, with a main service at 12 monthly intervals and a minor service at 6 months. In year 1, there is normally an initial 3-month service after commissioning.

Modern turbines have an expected operational availability of over 97% (including shutdowns due to routine maintenance).

 
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Would ABO Wind limit the project to 5 turbines with no additional turbines within 2 miles of the site?
 
Answer: Yes, we would limit the project to 5 turbines.

 
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How was the Northwest Saline site chosen?
 
Answer: We undertook a site search process for Fife which took into account the following constraints:
  • areas included in the 'West Area Medium Small Extent Development ' areas from the Fife Local Plan Ash Study (Figure 6)
  • 500m exclusions around residential properties
  • environmental constraints and landscape designation areas
  • wind speed
  • availability of grid connection

The Northwest Saline site was identified as one of the unconstrained areas and ABO Wind made contact with the landowner.

 
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Dimensions of turbine foundations?
 
Answer: Foundations for each turbine of the proposed scheme would comprise a reinforced concrete pad with typical dimensions of 16m x 16m (256m²) in plan with a tapering cross section, although exact dimensions depend on the turbine selected and ground conditions at the individual site location.  The depth of concrete varies across the foundation pad, tapering from approximately 1m at the edge of the pad to 2m where it meets the central crown section at the top of the base, giving a turbine foundation depth of approximately 3m.

 
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Volumes of concrete for turbine foundations?
 
Answer: The total volume of concrete in such a foundation is approximately 250m3 up to a maximum of 350m3. The design of these foundations in terms of size and depth minimises concrete and excavation requirements, minimises visible projection above the ground and allows re-establishment of surface vegetation following construction.
The final design of the turbine foundations will be confirmed prior to construction following detailed site investigation and will depend on imposed loadings, ground conditions and drainage design as well as final turbine selection.

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What is the number of lorry loads for construction of the wind farm?
Answer: At this stage, we are still working on calculations regarding lorry movements to the site during construction.  This information will be detailed in the Environmental Statement which will accompany the Planning Application to Fife Council.

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Can the electricity connection to Saline be enhanced as part of community benefit?
Answer: Electricity from the wind farm would connect to the national grid, so the electricity connection to Saline would not change as a direct result of the wind farm.  If agreed by the local community, it is possible that some of the community benefit fund could be dedicated to upgrading the local electricity connection.

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Will the turbines require any lights?
Answer: It is uncommon for wind farms in the UK to require lighting on the turbines.  The Northwest Saline site is not in a military low fly zone or close to an airport, therefore it is unlikely that the Civil Aviation Authority will require lighting on the turbines.

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What is the turbine tower height and the turbine blade length?
Answer: 120m to blade tip height.  80m hub height.  40m blade length.

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Might ABO Wind apply for turbines higher than 120m?
Answer: The Northwest Saline application will be for five turbines with a maximum height to blade tip of 120m.

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Why are the turbines 120m when Fife Planning Guidance is for up to 100m?
Answer: Fife Council Wind Energy Supplementary Planning Guidance (April 2008) identifies ‘Areas of Search’ throughout the Fife Council Authority area and recommends acceptable scales of development, including heights and numbers of turbines, within identified locations.  The proposed site is located within the ‘West Area Medium/Small Extent Development’ indicating potential for a small commercial scale wind farm of 5 turbines up to 100m height.

ABO Wind wishes to apply for 5 turbines with 120m total height because the higher the turbine the better the wind resource.

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Will the residents of Saline get cheaper electricity as a result of having a wind farm in their area?
Answer: Electricity from the wind farm would connect to the national grid, so the price of electricity to Saline would not change as a direct result of the wind farm.  However if the community chooses to dedicate some or all of the community fund to subsidise electricity and heating costs then Saline residents could pay less for their electricity.
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How would ABO like to negotiate the community benefit?
Answer: Decisions regarding the use of the Community Benefit Fund are normally left very much up to the local community through the Community Council or a specially constituted Trust.  Other communities have worked successfully with wind farm developers in this manner throughout Scotland. 
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Would ABO consider Profit sharing with Saline residents?
Answer: Yes.  Several local people have asked about the possibility of the community buying shares in the wind farm.  ABO Wind is currently structuring a portfolio of wind farms called Eurowind, which will provide the possibility for individuals to financially participate and become stakeholders of the portfolio.  Initially it is planned to roll-out the product in France and Germany. We will look into this possibility for the Northwest Saline project.
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ABO Expects to generate 12.5MW from the site.  How much has to be generated to still make a profit with/without the subsidy?
Answer: The installed capacity of the current proposal is 12.5MW.  We would expect the site to have a wind capacity of around 30%, which is a normal figure for an average wind farm.  The viability of the project depends on many different factors such as grid connection, the power purchase agreement with the utility, wind speed (which is currently being measured on site), turbine prices, bank financing conditions, etc.
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Where will power lines to the Fishcross substation be overhead versus underground?
Answer: The cable route from the site to Fishcross has not been finalised, but is likely to follow road reserves.  Our intention is to install the grid line underground in any sensitive areas and this would be agreed with the relevant authorities.
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Will the output of 5 turbines justify the cost of the grid connection?
Answer: Yes. 
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Who pays for the grid connection?
Answer: ABO Wind.
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Can you assure us that the bird survey will continue until March?
Answer: Yes. The bird survey work began in April, 2008 and will continue until March, 2009 so that a full year of data will be available for the environmental impact assessment.
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Is it correct that hundreds of lorries with road making stone will come through Saline?
Answer: The access route to the site will avoid Saline.  The estimated construction period for the wind farm proposal is nine months and several hundred heavy goods vehicle deliveries to the site would be required over this time.  The most intensive increase in traffic would be over about two months and details of these vehicle movements will be included in the Environmental Statement.
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How many local people will this scheme employ during construction and post construction?
Answer: ABO Wind would engage a construction contractor to manage the wind farm construction work so there are opportunities for local people.  A small staff will be required for the ongoing operation and maintenance of the wind farm, which also provides opportunities for local people.
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Does ABO need the ROC subsidy to proceed with the wind farm?
Answer: ABO Wind develops wind farms in a wide rage of different countries and, in line with all other developers, it makes its investment decisions based on the prevailing market and legislative conditions in each location. 
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If the planning application is successful will ABO Wind build the wind farm or sell the site on and if so, will the answers remain the same?
Answer: Several of our wind farms in Europe remain in possession of ABO Wind, however some sites have been sold in the past after commissioning.  If the wind farm site was sold on, the answers remain the same.
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Does ABO Wind plan to offer compensation to everyone living within 2km for devaluation and nuisance?
Answer: ABO Wind believes it can demonstrate that its proposals comply with relevant planning criteria. Established practice dictates that associated with this process is the establishment of the community benefit fund.
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When does ABO Wind expect to submit the planning application?
Answer: The planned date for submission of the Northwest Saline Wind Farm planning application and Environmental Statement is Spring 2009.
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Will the Community Council be advised directly in advance?
Answer: We will advise the Community Council upon submission of the planning application and provide a CD copy of the Environmental Statement.
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How is the ‘community’ defined for the community benefit?  Many of the people most affected are not Saline residents or even in Fife.
Answer: The Community Benefit Fund would not be limited to the residents of Saline or areas within Fife.  The planning application will be submitted to Fife Council but the Community Benefit fund is quite separate.  If the wind farm was approved, ABO Wind would work with local representatives to identify an area which best represents the ‘community’.  Advice would be taken from other wind farm projects in Scotland.
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Can noise disturbance increase over time?
Answer: Turbines on the site would be maintained regularly so there is no reason why noise from the wind farm would increase over time.
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How is the land to be restored at the end of the life of the site?
Answer: At the end of the life of the wind farm it would be restored to its original state, apart from the concrete turbine foundations which would be left in place underground with the surface above restored.  This would be required as part of the planning approval.
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What would happen if the anticipated electricity output from the wind farm were not achieved? 
Answer: This is very unlikely, as a detailed model of the wind yield would be completed using on site wind data.  

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Might the site be decommissioned early and at what financial and environmental cost?
Answer: If the project were approved, ABO Wind would agree a bond for site decommissioning with Fife Council.  ABO Wind as developer of the wind farm would be responsible for restoration of the site to its former state.
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When will the additional photomontages be available?
Answer: In response to requests at the Public Exhibition we are preparing additional photomontages from locations in and around Saline.  These should be available during February 2009.
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Is ABO Wind considering any other sites in the area?
Answer: ABO Wind is considering other sites in Fife and in Scotland, but this information is confidential at this stage.
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Please provide grid reference locations for the turbines
Answer: Turbine grid references will be provided as part of the Environmental Impact Assessment when it is published.
 

 General Questions

 
What is the methodology for calculating energy pay back time for wind farms?
Answer: Please see the following link: www.renewableenergyworld.com

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What is the GW installed capacity in the UK?
Answer: The following information is from the British Wind Energy Association.  As of 28th January, 2009 the installed wind capacity in the UK was calculated at 3,289 Megawatts.

For current information please see:  www.bwea.com
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How much CO2 has been saved through wind farms in the UK and Europe?
Answer: For current information on the installed capacity of wind farms in the UK and CO2 savings please see: www.bwea.com

As of the end of 2007, the installed capacity of onshore wind power in Europe was 57,136MW.  For further information please see: www.ewea.org (PDF)

As of the end of 2007, the installed capacity of wind power globally was 94,122 MW.  For further information please see: www.ewea.org (PDF)

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Are ROCS paid when turbines are not producing?
Answer: Renewables Obligation Certificates (ROCS) are issued for each megawatt hour (MWh) of renewable output generated, so turbines need to be operating for ROCS to be issued.
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Are there examples of wind farm sites on low ground with low wind speeds?  Turbines over 120m?  Sites with houses within 1,000m of turbines?
Answer: The Burton Wold and Milton Keynes Wind Farms are examples of low wind speed sites in the Midlands.  Burton Wold is an operational wind farm and Milton Keynes was recently approved.

We understand that the Whitelee, Dalswinton, Minsca and Wardlaw Wood Wind Farms have turbines around the 120m+ mark.

The Michelin factory in Dundee is a Scottish example of a site close to residential areas. 
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Other operators will not consider sites within 750m of residential properties why is ABO not adopting this policy?
Answer: ABO Wind`s experience is that a distance of 500m to houses is a good starting point for planning wind farms.  In the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) we will be required to prove that the turbine layout fulfils all required environmental guidelines and thresholds.
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Why is ABO not following planning guidance on the 2km buffer zones to settlements?
Answer: Our understanding of the planning guidance is that a 2km buffer around towns is meant for projects larger than 20MW.  The Northwest Saline proposal is 12.5MW.
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What noises can be expected at what range from a wind turbine?
Answer: The table below gives an indication of noise levels from various activities including the noise from a wind farm at 350m.

Source/Activity Indicative noise level dB (A)
Threshold of hearing 0
Rural night-time background 20-40
Quiet bedroom 35
Wind farm at 350m 35-45
Car at 40mph at 100m 55
Busy general office 60
Truck at 30mph at 100m 65
Pneumatic drill at 7m 95
Jet aircraft at 250m 105
Threshold of pain 140
 
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What non-audible noise can be experienced from a wind farm?
What other type of disturbance can be experienced?
What research exists into how these disturbances such as low frequency noise affect people?
Answer: Low frequency noise or infrasound has a smaller wavelength and generally travels further than high frequency noise.  There is a perception by some that infrasound can affect people even though they cannot hear it, however this is not true.  

There are no direct health effects from noise at the level of noise generated by modern wind turbines. It has been repeatedly shown by measurements of wind turbine noise undertaken in the UK, Denmark, Germany and the USA over the past decade, that the levels of infrasonic noise and vibration radiated from modern, upwind configuration wind turbines are at a very low level; so low that they lie below the threshold of perception, even for those people who are particularly sensitive to such noise, and even on an actual wind turbine site.
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Does the height of a turbine or blade length make a difference to the amount of noise?
Answer: Each model of wind turbine has a unique sound power level and this data is used to model the predicted noise for a specific wind farm in a specific area.  As stated above, the requirements of British noise guideline ETSU – R – 97 must be met in order to gain planning approval.
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Why is there 35dB of noise in a ‘quiet’ bedroom?
Answer: Indicative noise levels were provided in the table below to give an idea of the noise from a wind farm compared to other common noises.  A situation with absolutely no noise (0 DB) is very uncommon, as this is the threshold of normal hearing.  Even in a quiet house in a quiet area there are soft noises from plumbing, fridges and other devices, plus noises from outside – 40 dB is a normal noise level in a quiet house.
 
Source/Activity Indicative noise level dB (A)
Threshold of hearing 0
Rural night-time background 20-40
Quiet bedroom 35
Wind farm at 350m 35-45
Car at 40mph at 100m 55
Busy general office 60
Truck at 30mph at 100m 65
Pneumatic drill at 7m 95
Jet aircraft at 250m 105
Threshold of pain 140
 
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